±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 766
Total: 766
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Downloads
03: Downloads
04: Photo Gallery
05: Photo Gallery
06: Community Forums
07: Member Screenshots
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Supporters
11: Community Forums
12: Statistics
13: Community Forums
14: Home
15: Photo Gallery
16: Home
17: Community Forums
18: News Archive
19: Home
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Statistics
26: Photo Gallery
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Member Screenshots
30: Community Forums
31: Home
32: Photo Gallery
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: News
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: Member Screenshots
47: Home
48: Home
49: Member Screenshots
50: Statistics
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Home
54: Home
55: Member Screenshots
56: Downloads
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Downloads
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Member Screenshots
69: Community Forums
70: News Archive
71: Community Forums
72: Photo Gallery
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: News Archive
81: Statistics
82: Home
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: News
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: News Archive
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Member Screenshots
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Member Screenshots
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Community Forums
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: News Archive
108: News Archive
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Downloads
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Downloads
116: Downloads
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Home
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Photo Gallery
134: Member Screenshots
135: Home
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Home
146: News Archive
147: Community Forums
148: Member Screenshots
149: Downloads
150: Home
151: Member Screenshots
152: Photo Gallery
153: Statistics
154: Community Forums
155: Downloads
156: Home
157: Home
158: News Archive
159: News Archive
160: Downloads
161: Community Forums
162: Downloads
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: News
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Member Screenshots
170: Photo Gallery
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: News Archive
176: Statistics
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: Home
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Photo Gallery
187: Downloads
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Member Screenshots
193: Member Screenshots
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Downloads
197: News Archive
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Member Screenshots
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Downloads
206: News Archive
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Downloads
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Member Screenshots
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Home
219: Member Screenshots
220: Member Screenshots
221: Photo Gallery
222: Community Forums
223: Member Screenshots
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Photo Gallery
230: Photo Gallery
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: News Archive
234: Home
235: News Archive
236: Photo Gallery
237: Community Forums
238: Downloads
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: News Archive
242: News Archive
243: Community Forums
244: News Archive
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Photo Gallery
249: News
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Member Screenshots
255: Community Forums
256: Downloads
257: Member Screenshots
258: Member Screenshots
259: Community Forums
260: Statistics
261: Home
262: Downloads
263: Community Forums
264: Home
265: Downloads
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Home
270: Community Forums
271: Downloads
272: Statistics
273: Community Forums
274: Member Screenshots
275: Community Forums
276: Member Screenshots
277: Community Forums
278: News Archive
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Member Screenshots
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Home
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Downloads
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Home
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Downloads
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Photo Gallery
306: Home
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Home
319: Home
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: News
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Member Screenshots
331: Photo Gallery
332: Member Screenshots
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Home
336: Community Forums
337: News Archive
338: Community Forums
339: Home
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Downloads
347: Community Forums
348: Home
349: Home
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Home
353: Member Screenshots
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Statistics
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Downloads
367: Home
368: Home
369: Member Screenshots
370: Community Forums
371: News
372: Photo Gallery
373: Member Screenshots
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Member Screenshots
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Member Screenshots
380: Photo Gallery
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Statistics
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Statistics
389: Member Screenshots
390: Community Forums
391: News
392: Community Forums
393: Photo Gallery
394: Photo Gallery
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: News
399: Community Forums
400: Home
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Home
405: Community Forums
406: News Archive
407: Downloads
408: Community Forums
409: Member Screenshots
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Home
413: Photo Gallery
414: Community Forums
415: Downloads
416: Photo Gallery
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Home
423: Statistics
424: Home
425: Statistics
426: Photo Gallery
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Member Screenshots
430: Home
431: Community Forums
432: Home
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: News Archive
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Member Screenshots
446: LinkToUs
447: Member Screenshots
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Downloads
456: Community Forums
457: Member Screenshots
458: Member Screenshots
459: Photo Gallery
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Home
464: News Archive
465: News Archive
466: Statistics
467: Home
468: Photo Gallery
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Member Screenshots
473: Home
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Home
477: Home
478: Home
479: Community Forums
480: Home
481: Home
482: Home
483: Community Forums
484: Home
485: Home
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Home
489: Downloads
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Home
494: Community Forums
495: Home
496: Home
497: Home
498: Home
499: News
500: Home
501: Home
502: Home
503: Community Forums
504: Home
505: Home
506: Home
507: Home
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Home
512: Member Screenshots
513: Community Forums
514: Photo Gallery
515: News Archive
516: Home
517: Home
518: Home
519: Home
520: Community Forums
521: Member Screenshots
522: Home
523: Community Forums
524: News Archive
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Member Screenshots
529: Your Account
530: Home
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Home
539: Home
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Member Screenshots
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Photo Gallery
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Member Screenshots
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Member Screenshots
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Home
562: Member Screenshots
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: News
571: News Archive
572: Home
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Statistics
578: Downloads
579: Community Forums
580: News Archive
581: News Archive
582: Member Screenshots
583: Community Forums
584: Member Screenshots
585: Downloads
586: Home
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Member Screenshots
590: Community Forums
591: News Archive
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Home
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Home
606: Community Forums
607: Home
608: Downloads
609: Member Screenshots
610: Photo Gallery
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Member Screenshots
618: Community Forums
619: News
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: News Archive
623: Photo Gallery
624: Community Forums
625: Member Screenshots
626: Member Screenshots
627: Community Forums
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Photo Gallery
635: Community Forums
636: Member Screenshots
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: News Archive
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Home
648: Home
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Photo Gallery
652: Home
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Member Screenshots
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Photo Gallery
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Member Screenshots
668: Statistics
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Home
672: Home
673: Community Forums
674: Statistics
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Member Screenshots
681: Member Screenshots
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Downloads
687: Photo Gallery
688: Community Forums
689: Community Forums
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Home
695: Community Forums
696: News Archive
697: Home
698: Member Screenshots
699: Home
700: News Archive
701: Community Forums
702: Community Forums
703: Home
704: Member Screenshots
705: Photo Gallery
706: Member Screenshots
707: Member Screenshots
708: Community Forums
709: Community Forums
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Downloads
713: Community Forums
714: News Archive
715: Home
716: Community Forums
717: Community Forums
718: Community Forums
719: Photo Gallery
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Community Forums
725: Community Forums
726: Photo Gallery
727: Community Forums
728: Community Forums
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Community Forums
732: Member Screenshots
733: Member Screenshots
734: Photo Gallery
735: Home
736: Community Forums
737: Member Screenshots
738: Statistics
739: Community Forums
740: Photo Gallery
741: Home
742: Community Forums
743: Home
744: Community Forums
745: Member Screenshots
746: Community Forums
747: Community Forums
748: Community Forums
749: Member Screenshots
750: Community Forums
751: News
752: Community Forums
753: Downloads
754: Statistics
755: Downloads
756: Home
757: Home
758: Community Forums
759: Home
760: Community Forums
761: Community Forums
762: Member Screenshots
763: Community Forums
764: Photo Gallery
765: Community Forums
766: News Archive

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
OFF Phases 2 & 3 Payware :: Archived
This is for General Discussions about the CFS3 game.
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  CFS3

Topic Archived View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
RAF92_Moser
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 06, 2005
Posts: 703
Location: Illinois
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:23 pm
Post subject: OFF Phases 2 & 3 Payware

Read about it here.

www.sim-outhouse.com/s...ht=Payware

_________________
"Well, I gotta go...Yeh I'm running out of change"

Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Shadow_Bshwackr
Janitor

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Posts: 7019
Location: Central Illinois, USA
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:28 am
Post subject: Re: OFF Phases 2 & 3 Payware

Well, that puts a different spin on things for me. I have to say I was seeding their torrent files for quite some time and now they want to charge for updated versions of their work? Hmmm...

I think "horn swaggled' comes to mind here. IF they were going to charge or figured on charging for their services, they should have been up front and said that from the beginning. Regardless of the fact that OFF v1 was free, I can't help but feel 'bait and switched' by this next 'move' to secure funding.

If their supporters who were donating funds did so out of good faith, then that's the method they should stick to. Just my opinion... Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:39 am
Post subject: Re: OFF Phases 2 & 3 Payware

Mmmmm. Well on the one hand I can see the point about the above-average level of work and the supoprt as well. A project like this takes over one's life.

On the other hand, going the payware route doesn't necessarily make things any better. You've got a limited customer base complicated by the fact that people have now spent money and expect a professional payware product with the QA, testing and tech support that it implies.....and the level of multi-platform testng and support for commercial products is far higher and more stringent, more complex, and time-consuming than any support they have done yet, I gaurantee that. Anyone on that team familiar with SCM/CMM standards and can they meet them for a payware product? It's a very tough row to hoe, tougher in many many ways 'specially when you're looking at a small customer base of diehard CFS3 users to begin with.

No doubt there will be a lot of folks who feel a bit taken aback about the change of direction also and this ain't gonna be purty!! Shucks I was just getting ready to download it but have been painting at every opportunity.....guess I'll get back to skinning fr8ycat's fine OH-6........freeware doncha know.....

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Shadow_Bshwackr
Janitor

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Posts: 7019
Location: Central Illinois, USA
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:36 pm
Post subject: Re: OFF Phases 2 & 3 Payware

I agree about something invading one's life to the point of total immersion...lol

And the tech support point is well made..

But, I still think that their intentions should have been made known from the beginning and if they had intended for their release to be free then decided to go payware due to the popularity, then to me, it's the wrong way to handle this situation. In other words, if the first release was a beta, let the beta testers have all the releases for free then and charge the non beta testing community.

Personally I don't think CFS3 was popular enough to demand pay-for add ons, and this situation will probably 'cure' itself, but that's just my opinion... Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:45 pm
Post subject: Re: OFF Phases 2 & 3 Payware

Oh, I absolutely agree - but - to think this may have been the intention from the beginning may just be giving them too much credit. They might just not have realized what the incredibly time-consuming task of support would have entailed, and had a majority of team members gripe about doing all that for free (when the mindset usually is "Hey, it's finally released, we can relax now!"...NO SIR, you can't!) , and voila...likely as the result of much internal discussion you have a decision like this being made after-the-fact.

As one who's been there and done that I do NOT envy them and part of me wants to wish them all the best in an effort like that. Being a limited market indeed I suspect in reality that the support efforts will outstrip the income, being as the product installs on a rather finicky platform to begin with and...well, we've all dealt with "the public" I'm sure....I can think of several memorable customers in the past that I wish HAD been "freeware" customers just so they could be told "Don't like it? DON'T DOWNLOAD IT". Instead, you get shackled to many hours of supporting unique problems (oftentimes not related to the product itself) with some impatient people who've paid money for the thing to work for them, and your share of the pay after being split among everyone is a curse rather than a blessing. 'Specially when tax time comes......

The first release as freeware is indeed one heck of a way to get a large base of BETA testers, thats for sure.... hmmmm... Confused But it also kills your potential market since lotsa folks are happy 'nuff with the first release. Neutral Yeah, I suspect it just fell out this way... but even so, wether it's actually good for all involved will remain to be seen. Lotta hurdles to jump and I'm quite sure you are right about the situation correcting itself, to the chagrin of people on both sides probably. So I wish 'em, and the CFS3 community as a whole, the best in that respect.

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
RAF92_Moser
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 06, 2005
Posts: 703
Location: Illinois
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:56 pm
Post subject: Re: OFF Phases 2 & 3 Payware

They said for a nominal price...so this should be pretty cheap to buy.

On the otherhand, I thought all of OFF was going to be freeware, but I guess they had to rethink their positions on the matter. They should have at least thought over this before they announced OFF...that the whole thing may be very costly. But when I learn of the asking price, I may drop in a few bucks for the whole thing.

_________________
"Well, I gotta go...Yeh I'm running out of change"

Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  CFS3
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours

Archive Revive
Username:
This is an archived topic - your reply will not be appended here.
Instead, a new topic will be generated in the active forum.
The new topic will provide a reference link to this archived topic.